Sunday, June 26, 2016

¿EZ Catastrophe? and ¿¿Generational Melodrama??


Ja notice how every tiny little bit of televised reaction to the successful "Brexit" vote was horror and the prediction of catastrophe? I wonder which side scripted that news. Reading Scott Sumner was a refreshing change.

Sumner:
Some see it affecting Britain's economy by disrupting trade, whereas it actually hurts the eurozone more ...

British stocks are down around 4% as I write. But French and German stocks are down 7% to 8%. The markets in southern Europe are down 10% to 15%. Brexit's most powerful effect is to make the eurozone crisis worse, by increasing doubts as to whether the eurozone will stay together.

I don't want to overstate things; the level of equity prices in the US is still quite high---and thus the markets currently do not seem to be forecasting a recession.

BTW, there are some very good arguments in favor of Brexit ...

I couldn't have said it better myself. Except the part about equity prices. I don't know anything about equity prices.

Of course, I don't beam over to Sumner's all-too-predictable conclusion: "The single most useful reform at this moment would be a global shift toward level targeting."

You had to see that one coming. And then there's this:
Three in four young voters wanted to remain. They will have to live with the consequences. There is a sense in which the older UK voters stabbed their children in the back (Yes, that's a bit melodramatic, but there's a grain of truth.) When the older voters die off, will Britain rejoin the EU, or will the young get more nationalistic as they age?

... and Robert's response:

As far as young voters, do you feel that younger voters are better or less informed on the underlying issues as older voters? Are younger voters more cynical and less influenced by propaganda than older voters?

You know those models economists use all the time? Simple two-generational models, where, I don't know, the one generation is working and the other is retired, and there is some interaction between the two that the model uses to prove some ridiculous claim? Those models? Well, let's apply a two-generational model to Brexit preference.

As the older voters die off and the young age, the latter's view will become more firm and less liable to change. But there will be a new young generation that has grown up knowing Great Britain as a sovereign state. The generational disagreement will die out with today's young voters, in their old age.

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Today, older voters remember Great Britain as a sovereign state. Younger voters think of Great Britain as like New Jersey: nothing sovereign about it. All the TV coverage yesterday relied on the argument that "Remain" is "good for the country" or "good for the nation". Yeah, but for which nation? For Great Britain, which already exists more in memory than in fact? Or the nation of Europe?

"Leave" is good for Great Britain. "Remain" is good for Europe.

Younger voters prefer to remain because they have no real memory of their nation as a nation. Older voters prefer to leave because they have that memory of the nation known as Great Britain.

The result of the vote was political, not economic. It was the right choice, because the creation of the European Union was also political. The creation of the EU was a political solution to economic problems. It was sold to the voters as a solution to economic problems. It would make the economy better, the voters were told.

And the Brexit:Leave decision is the voters' way of saying the European Union is an economic plan that didn't work.

3 comments:

Greg said...

Nice post Art

I would have voted for Brexit if I was there but I do think many xenophobic morons voted yes for the wrong reasons (and many voted no for the wrong reasons too)

I do have a little different take on this however:

"The result of the vote was political, not economic. It was the right choice, because the creation of the European Union was also political. The creation of the EU was a political solution to economic problems. It was sold to the voters as a solution to economic problems. It would make the economy better, the voters were told."


I think the primary flaw of the EU was not whether it was political or not (is anything NOT political) but that it was the wrong kind of political. It took 20 something countries that had their own currencies, beliefs about what they owed their citizens, levels of corruption etc and cobbled them together with no real supranational body outside of a European Central Bank to address macroeconomic issues. It was operating under the idea that if you have no borders, one currency and no trade restrictions and no pesky politicians to use fiscal policy everything will be fine.

Whats additionally interesting is that the only country to try and ruin Europe in the past (Germany twice!) ends up as the place that most of this small band to technocrats listen to the most.

They needed more fiscal union and less banker centric thinking

The Arthurian said...

Hey Greg. I agree that the lack of fiscal union is largely what makes the EU unsustainable as a superstate.

I think the EU lacks fiscal union because it couldn't convince the citizens of sovereign nation-states to give up national-level preferences in favor of superstate level preferences. People wanted to retail their national identities.

So I don't think the solution is to impose fiscal union. I think the solution is to let union die. In the game of Risk you don't want anybody else to get an entire continent!

Greg said...

"I think the EU lacks fiscal union because it couldn't convince the citizens of sovereign nation-states to give up national-level preferences in favor of superstate level preferences. People wanted to retail their national identities."

Right, and the only way you can reliably express your sovereignty is by using your own currency. The problem with making everyone use the same currency and being under some entity (CB) that controls that currency, the person/people that make the rules/set monetary policy are using their value judgements in making the rules. They are saying what is important. So in the EU what you have is that German values or French values get more influence and if you dont run your economy/money system the way they think you should,( those lazy Greeks!) you are punished.

I agree that it is better to have no union than a poorly put together union.